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I want to express my sadness and shock at the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and 18 others by a wacko in Tucson's 8th district yesterday.

There is NO PLACE for this kind of violence and the perp should receive the death penalty.

It's disgusting that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik turned this immediately into a political tirade with absolutely no evidence that it was politically motivated on either side. The wack job who did the shooting was a reader of Mein Kampf (socialist radical) and a delusional sounding nutcase. He wasn't associated with a political movement. He wasn't even associated with any rational thought. And yet, Clarence Dupnik decided to accuse political pundits of firing this guy up. Since when do we have to stop speaking because somebody might misunderstand us? Since when are we to be careful of freedom of speech because of the actions of somebody out of our control. Let me get to the level of the nut sheriff of Pima County - if I had a name like Clarence Dupnik, I'd avoid cameras and microphones at all costs.

To be further irrational on conspiracy theories, Sheriff Dupnik, how about considering this. Rep Giffords was Jewish. The radical left hates Israel and supports terrorism. Rep Giffords was one of 19 Democrats who openly voted against Dominatrix Nancy Pelosi for minority leader last week. Nineteen people were shot yesterday. Coincidence Mr Dupnik?

Let me close with clarity: I don't believe either of these theories. I'm disgusted by the irresponsible words of an elected sheriff in AZ in the early hours of this investigation. He didn't know what he was talking about and is now looking stupid. But, his words can't be brought back. He calls his state a bigotry capital because they want laws enforced. He blames the majority of people in the country who are on the other side of him politically for causing violence. How does he explain the Ft. Hood shooting? Was that the fault of radio talk show hosts too?

His outburst is inexcusable and just the type of inflammatory rhetoric that incites the nut jobs he's talking about. But he, as we all do, has a right to express himself. I just wonder if he'll make it in office through the next election. We'll see.

When people decide to commit violence, it isn't the fault of other people who say things you don't like. It's the fault of the crazy who pulled the trigger.

God Bless and keep all those wounded and killed. God Hold Gabby Giffords in Your Hands and keep her with us.

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My prayers go with yours. This is a tragedy, as are all events of its kind.

Giffords had also just presented legislation to cut back congressional salaries. That will get you hated by politicians. But, that doesn't seem, at this point, to have contributed. She is also a proponent of more secure borders. Did the Sheriff miss that one? Is she to be called a bigot, now? Or just the rest of us are bigots who want our country secure? Did bigots cause her to be shot or did someone shoot a bigot? Crazy discussion he started.

The federal judge who was killed was appointed by George HW Bush. I guess Dupnik didn't think of that, either. Roadrunner, I understand making fun of the name. Very tempting. I'm going to try to resist. Try.

Clarence Dupnik was completely out of line. He was doing exactly what he seemed to paint others as doing. Unnecessary garbage thrown into a national tragedy.

Hang in there, Gabby. [-o< None of it matters except your strength and tenacity. The rest is just static.


Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:47 pm
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I can't believe what I just heard. In an interview with a woman who was at the Giffords event, she said that the hate speech from Republicans caused the violence. She said that the Republicans should stop calling Obama's legislation bad names like "job-killing" and things like that because it was promoting violence.

Are these people totally insane?

From what I've heard of Giffords, she wouldn't condone this kind of crazy blame. This will just make things worse. The Congress is coming together in response to this tragedy and the nutcases on the ground are bomb-throwing. It makes me want to utter more "hate speech." That woman should be checked to see if she might go after a Republican. She could be the next threat of violence, with that kind of irrational thinking.

I agree with you - how would she rationalize the Ft Hood shooting or the 9-11 murders? Right wing name calling? That nut with the gun wasn't a part of anything. In fact, he was crazy like that woman in the interview. How stupid can you get, woman??

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The woman's name is Maisch and she went to thank Giffords for voting for the stimulus. She said the violence was the fault of Republicans and then praised Giffords for being a centrist. Whaa?

I think she's a little wacky. She picked up the magazine off the ground after it was dropped when two men pinned the shooter down. He was held down by two men. The magazine was laying on the ground. She picked it up. Maybe she thought the magazine would go off by itself. Anyway, that's her claim to fame. I think she's a little off her rocker. She isn't likely to have thought of blaming the Repubs on her own. She obviously got the idea from the nutty sheriff. Or maybe the DNC paid her to try to hang it on the Repubs. Either way, it's a ridiculous notion. Aren't they afraid that their speech will start a mass of revenge violence? No active brain waves there.

If and when (God forbid) a conservative dies, we'll blame it on Ms Maisch's hate speech.

The sheriff and Ms Maisch may start a civil war. Hope their proud.

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My prayers are also with Congresswoman Giffords for a speedy recovery, and for solace for the families of those lost.

Those who would jump on using a tragedy like this for political gain are the lowest form of life, IMO. The bodies aren't even cold and blind political attacks are growing. That's the kind of behavior we really need to avoid. At this moment, she and the other families need our support and good thoughts, not vindictive clawing and scratching.

I hope the sheriff is proud of himself for starting this. I don't know what to say about a man like that.


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Did that woman really say republicans were to blame or just angry speech in general. It would be hard to ignore that it's coming from both sides. The lefties on Huff have been wishing conservatives permanently eliminated for at least 10 years. I can't believe anybody missed that.

Neither has anything to do with it, though. He is nuts.

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Are you guys in here so early just to warm things up? I can't stop thinking about poor Gabby. :(

Yes, shrug, Ms Maisch said "Republicans need to stop" not just saying that things were too heated in general. It's now becoming the main topic of conversation - the blame of Repubs and Tea Party. The Tea Party has never made a violent move in its short life. The left is just afraid of them. The shooter was a fan of the Communist Manifesto. Is that Republican? He was just crazy, that's all.

Anyway, that's what she said. Republicans need to stop. And she objected to them calling the Obamacare law "job-killing".

She's a person a bit off who got her 15 minutes of fame and abused it.

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It's interesting that Ft. Hood was brought up here. The left wing media was beside themselves trying to urge caution about the shootings then and saying no one should jump to conclusions to blame Islam for the rampage. There was a pretty clear connection in that case. Now the same people were jumping to blame Palin, Tea Party and Republicans before the smoke even cleared. They, including the sheriff, had no information to go on, but jumped into the political blame game with both feet.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/lachla ... slam-ft-ho

The Washington Examiner's Byron York recalled CNN's reaction to the Fort Hood shooting in a post Sunday. The cable channel "became a forum for repeated warnings that the subject should be discussed with particular care."

The important thing is for everyone not to jump to conclusions," said retired Gen. Wesley Clark on CNN the night of the shootings.

"We cannot jump to conclusions," said CNN's Jane Velez-Mitchell that same evening. "We have to make sure that we do not jump to any conclusions whatsoever."

"I'm on Pentagon chat room," said former CIA operative Robert Baer on CNN, also the night of the shooting. "Right now, there's messages going back and forth, saying do not jump to the conclusion this had anything to do with Islam."


Let the truth speak for itself. This shooter worshipped a skull and orange peels in a tent out back. He was a dope-smoker and ranting lunatic. In short, he doesn't sound conservative at all. The left will eventually defend him.


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I'm shocked, shocked that there are hypocrites on the left trying to make political hay over this. Nothing is sacred to the radicals on the left. It's hard to believe that she was there to thank somebody for voting for that disgraced stimulus bill.

Was the old lady to blame for the shooting of Ronald Reagan or the attempted assassination of Gerald Ford? I'm guessing she was. Wish somebody would ask her.

This proves that not all of the crazies are in Park County. Maybe she's from here. There's another sheriff who should be thrown out, though. Look at the mess he's made. If it's a left-wing radical district, though, they're probably applauding him.

She changed her story a little while ago and said somebody yelled "grab the magazine". Previously she said somebody yelled "grab the gun" and two men did. The "clip" fell to the ground in her first story. I think she's trying to embellish a little now that she's famous. Nobody will pay any attention to her soon, if they are now.

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It looks like the problem isn't just with this lady or the sheriff. He's a Democrat, by the way. It also seems to be spreading through the left wing blogosphere and usual suspects in the news that right wing speech is to blame.

In the Daily Kos, though, a left wing blogger also said Rep Giffords is "dead to him" for voting against Pelosi. Now there's a dangerous person - Pelosi.

Here's the quote from the leftie BoyBlue on Daily Kos.

"I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords' district," BoyBlue wrote. "Today, just a little while ago, I saw on Andrea Mitchell Reports that Giffords voted against Nancy Pelosi as our minority leader. … CongresswomanGabrielle Giffords is dead to me now."

He rants on about how upset he is with his Rep and what a sellout she is. A left-winger mad at everyone who voted against the Pelosi witch. (What's surprising is how many voted for her after the mess she made.)

Maybe that makes the Daily Kos responsible for the shooting? Why Limbaugh and Beck and not BoyBlue's Daily Kos.

The crazy shooter was obsessed with Giffords since 2007. So take your wild false accusations and shove them, looney left.

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I am a strong supporter of gun rights. I am a strong opponent of violence. Prayers are going out from my house for the survival of Ms. Giffords and peace for all victims.

There is something that the talking heads and pols are missing. If the government would listen to us instead of just plowing us under or feeding us bs in answer to our concerns, you wouldn't hear so much "hate speech". I don't believe for a minute that speech caused this shooting. But since they are talking about the "level of rhetoric" in the nation, they should look to their own responsibility.

If we speak softly and politely, they ignore us. Politicians are nothing if not condescending. One former commissioner said that most of us were too stupid to have an opinion and she thought public comment sessions were a waste of time. Her attitude is one of the ones I'm talking about. Only when it gets loud and agressive do the pols respond to anything. When it gets rude enough to make the news, then they pay attention. This is what we've learned is our government reality in our own back yard as well as in DC. If you are polite with them, you get nowhere. They nod and shake your hand and then go do as they please and figure they can get away with anything. It takes rash outbursts to even get their attention. The blame for our current state of affairs is broad.

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That's a really good point, Cowboy1. It is frustrating to try to say something to elected officials and have them ignore everyone and do what's best for themselves. It happens every day and people don't know what to do other than get louder. It sure shouldn't come to violence, though. There's nothing about the AZ incident that looks like political motivation. That was just terrible insanity.

The move by the left to make it look like right wing anger is their ongoing attempt to censor free speech. They have been talking for a while about how to shut down Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Glenn Beck. They really fear them and can't just push their agenda through with opposing voices so available. They want to silence their opposition so they can take back total control. That's all this is about. The shooting had nothing to do with politics. It's just made up.

As Rahm Emanuel said, you don't want to let a good crisis go to waste. So they made up an anti-conservative propaganda story for it.

Obama supporter Jonathan Alter praises Obama's handling of the tragedy and says he can turn it into triumph.

Can Obama Turn Tragedy Into Triumph?
Saturday’s shooting spree could prove a turning point in the Obama presidency. How the White House should talk about the tragedy.


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i ain't changing my speech while the president gets away with calling us enemies because we disagree. it's the left that cause the hate speech when they wanted republicans dead all the time just for winning elections. they attacked roves home with his kids there and everything. they show up by busloads at conservatives homes to terrorize their kids. they put bullseyes on their maps for pelosi to win so what's wrong with it now. sticks and stones, not words. stupid idjits. corrupt lying left.


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It's too bad somebody else wasn't carrying a gun so they could have stopped the shooter before he got off so many rounds. Since you can't keep bad guys from getting guns no matter what laws you write, the answer is to have more good guys armed.

Take that bad shooter out. A good shooter could stop him with one shot. Be armed. Be trained.


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The president said quite clearly that the political rhetoric was NOT related to the shooting in Tucson but he would like to see more polite discourse.

Let's start with him not calling his political opponents "enemies" who have to sit in the back of the bus. How bad is that? He's the most angry man in politics today. Clean your own house first, Mr. Obama. And get your snobby nose out of the air every time you talk down to us all.

And by the way. Alan Derschowitz, who is a spokesman for Jewish anti-defamation, says it's fine that Palin used the term "blood libel" against those who accused her and other people of causing the death and massacre of old people and children. He says that the term has come into broader common use in modern times and makes sense in that context. It means a false accusation of a heinous act, I hear. That's appropriate. Left wing extremists used to accuse Jews of horrible false things and now they are transferring that manner of speech to our country.

So now you're up to date on the constant battering hypocrisy of the left for a second or two until they start some other tripe.

AZ passed a law that the disgusting church that protests at funerals have to stay 300 feet away from the Tucson funerals. Now, why couldn't we pass that for military families? I'm glad for that, but there's another batch of horrible hypocrisy.

God bless Gabby and the others attacked. One eye open! That's terrific!! =D>


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I agree on the military funerals. Common decency could be afforded those grieving families.

On the subject of the Sheriff, I wonder if he had a reason to stir up a false firestorm and direct attention somewhere besides himself. He likely knew about the problems with that shooter. He certainly knew that Gabby Giffords was being threatened. I think I heard that the shooter's mother works for the commissioners out there. Did anyone else hear that? Maybe there will be an investigation of the sheriff and the other idiots who were trying to blame Sarah Palin for the shooting.

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The looney left has done it now. Their false accusations that Sarah Palin and the Tea Party caused the Tucson shooting has now resulted in a retaliation threat against a tea party spokesman. So the sheriff and the left wing politicians are now in danger of actually making their accusations come true from the left wing hate speech. The informed world knows that politics had nothing to do with the nut that opened fire on Giffords last week. But one of the people shot has been convinced otherwise. He went to a taping of an interview of a tea party spokesman and was arrested for yelling "YOU'RE DEAD!" at the spokesman.

There's what you get sheriff Dupnik and Dems in congress for throwing around lies to cover your own ass. The left wing hate speech has been the problem ever since they started it at the Paul Wellstone "memorial" that they turned into a raging political rally and screamed and threatened the Republican Senators who showed up to pay respects to their colleague. There's the launch point for what we have now. That and the angry Dem mobs who carried signs wishing a republican president and vice-pres dead. Anyone who can read and who takes the time to look up the history knows the truth of that. Unless, of course, you rely on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, or CNN and NPR for your news. In that case, you're grossly uninformed. Check a variety of news sources on the internet and stop being ignorant!

This is a dangerous war the left has thrown this country into - AGAIN!!! I'm SICK of it. :x

Left wing hate speech results in arrest and forced mental commitment of Democrat:

Democratic activist wounded in Tucson massacre arrested after allegedly shouting death threat at Tea Party spokesman
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